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TUr/turborepo-jobs·posted by slow_query·2 days agoTooling

Hiring: remote turborepo-jobs engineer (full-time, long-term)

Most turborepo-jobs articles stop at "how to use it" and never cover "when not to use it". This is an attempt at the second half.

We also fixed monitoring along the way: replaced average-based alerts with percentiles and split them per endpoint. False alerts dropped by about seventy percent and the on-call rotation visibly cheered up.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Wwinter·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Cchen_dev·2 days agoedited

I just read the turborepo-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

467
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

169
Lli_ming·5 hours ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

86
Rrase·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

53
RraseOP·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

260
Wwinter·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

37
Sswoole_leeMod·2 days ago

One counter-example: below turborepo-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

31
NnikicOP·2 days ago

This is not a turborepo-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

393
Kkite·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

61
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

376
Rrase·12 minutes ago

One counter-example: below turborepo-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

286
Zzhou_yi·3 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

267
Kkite·2 hours ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

200
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

24
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

56
Sswoole_lee·2 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

128
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This is not a turborepo-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

404
Lli_ming·2 hours ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

31
Llinlin·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

267
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

One counter-example: below turborepo-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

448
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

256
Oops_wang·5 hours ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

248
Llinlin·2 days ago

I just read the turborepo-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

208
Cchen_dev·12 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

201
Hhuang_ke·5 hours ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

186
Sslow_query·just now

I just read the turborepo-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

126
Kkernel_panic·1 hour ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

3
Nnikic·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

413
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

192
Nnikic·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

106
NnikicOP·28 minutes agoLevel 6

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

180
Oops_wang·2 days agoLevel 6

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

209
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

1
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

118
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

I just read the turborepo-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

97
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

I just read the turborepo-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

8
Llinlin·2 days ago

This is not a turborepo-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

1
Ttang_hao·2 days agoLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

163
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

126
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

102
Mmike_xu·yesterday

One counter-example: below turborepo-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

354
Wwinter·12 minutes agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

111
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

92
Wwinter·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

99
Mmike_xuOP·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

35
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

47
Wwinter·2 days ago

One counter-example: below turborepo-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

93
Rran_bo·2 days ago

I just read the turborepo-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

229
Lli_ming·2 hours ago

One counter-example: below turborepo-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

7
Llinlin·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

76
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

This is not a turborepo-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

74
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

73
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

43
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

43
Aalice_dev·3 minutes ago

This is not a turborepo-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

41
Wwinter·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

223
Kkite·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

80
Kkite·2 days ago

I just read the turborepo-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

168
Rran_bo·2 days agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

156
Rrase·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

4
Ddev_zhouOP·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

156
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

338
Rran_bo·2 days agoLevel 6

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

455
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

51
Aalice_devMod·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

359
Wwinter·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
Nnikic·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

411
Kkite·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

347
Sswoole_lee·12 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

45
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

55
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

39
Llinlin·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

201
Zzhou_yi·just now

This is not a turborepo-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

20
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

41
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

20
Wwinter·yesterday

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

13
Aalice_dev·12 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

110
Ddev_zhou·28 minutes agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

1
Kkite·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

409
Bbob_chenOP·12 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

269
Bbob_chen·2 days agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Mmike_xu·1 hour ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

104
Bbob_chenOP·2 days agoLevel 6

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

18
Rran_bo·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

43
Kkite·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

492
Hhuang_ke·12 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

105
Llinlin·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

94
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

128
NnikicOP·2 days agoLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

1
Lli_ming·2 days ago

I just read the turborepo-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

1
Wwinter·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

6
Wwinter·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

77
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

38
Wwinter·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

183
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

1
Kkite·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

434
Zzhu_zong·1 hour ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

13
Mmike_xu·yesterday

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

465
Wwinter·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

221
Lli_ming·2 days ago

One counter-example: below turborepo-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

1
Ddev_zhou·5 hours ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

189
Rran_bo·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

13
Wwinter·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

1
Rrase·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

69
Oops_wang·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

17
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

10
Kkite·12 minutes agoedited

One counter-example: below turborepo-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

9
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

7
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

2
Hhuang_ke·just now

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

1
Kkernel_panic·28 minutes agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

198
Rrase·1 hour ago

This is not a turborepo-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

1
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

477
Hhuang_ke·5 hours ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

1
Zzhou_yi·28 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

1
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

This is not a turborepo-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

2
Sslow_query·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

1

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