tmux · Advanced · After reading the tmux-pro core source I finally understand the trade-offs

This is not a tmux-pro problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

I just read the tmux-pro source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

I just read the tmux-pro source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

I just read the tmux-pro source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

This is not a tmux-pro problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

This is not a tmux-pro problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

I just read the tmux-pro source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

One counter-example: below tmux-pro 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

One counter-example: below tmux-pro 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.