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TEr/tensorrt-newbie·posted by ran_bo·32 minutes agoTranslation

Help: tensorrt-newbie fails to start intermittently in containers, logs inside

It took me two weeks of on-and-off digging and plenty of wrong turns. Writing the process down as it happened so the next person spends less time.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

On trade-offs, my view is this: if nobody on the team owns this area long-term, do not introduce a second mechanism. With two coexistence you first have to work out which one is even in play when things break, and that costs far more than the performance you saved.

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Rrase·28 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

513
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

2
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

210
Lli_mingMod·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

93
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

48
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

511
Kkite·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

205
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

9
Ttang_hao·3 minutes ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

498
Ttang_hao·3 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

214
Aalice_dev·2 hours agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

122
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

63
Llinlin·28 minutes agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

36
Nnikic·yesterday

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

176
Wwinter·just now

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

436
Kkernel_panic·5 hours ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

112
Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

68
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

245
Kkite·2 days agoLevel 6

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

3
Nnikic·1 hour ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

498
Rran_bo·28 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

65
Rrase·2 days agoedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

53
Llinlin·2 days ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

74
Nnikic·12 minutes ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

8
Sslow_query·1 hour ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

207
Llinlin·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

488
Zzhu_zong·1 hour ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

434
Hhuang_ke·12 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

417
Wwinter·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

404
Nnikic·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

387
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

1
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

104
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

24
Llinlin·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

330
Bbob_chenMod·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

290
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

311
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

302
Nnikic·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

290
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

283
Hhuang_ke·28 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

273
Nnikic·5 hours ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

341
Sslow_queryOP·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

34
Cchen_devOP·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

4
Lli_ming·12 minutes agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

2
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Wwinter·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

38
Kkernel_panicOP·just now

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

172
Kkite·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

1
Ddev_zhouOP·just now

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

122
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

177
Lli_ming·5 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

4
Ttang_hao·2 days agoedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

167
RraseOP·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

97
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

143
Zzhu_zong·2 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

139
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

14
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

5
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

135
Zzhu_zong·12 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

119
Lli_ming·2 hours ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

505
Sswoole_lee·28 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

381
Kkernel_panic·12 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

404
Zzhu_zong·3 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

145
Rrase·2 days agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

2
Rrase·2 days agoedited

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

127
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

379
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

221
Hhuang_ke·28 minutes ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

13
Aalice_dev·yesterday

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

16
Kkite·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

226
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

285
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

1
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

92
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

91
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

83
Kkite·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

76
Wwinter·2 days agoedited

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

72
Hhuang_keOP·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

5
Rrase·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

54
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

19
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

8
Rrase·5 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

3
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

91
Rrase·2 days agoedited

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

3
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

3
Hhuang_keOP·12 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

56
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

2
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

176
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

2
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

2
Kkite·2 days agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

1
Aalice_devOP·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

97
Hhuang_keOP·2 hours ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

25
Rran_bo·1 hour ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

287
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

2
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

2
Rran_bo·2 days agoedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
KkiteOP·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

70
Lli_ming·1 hour ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

463
Hhuang_keOP·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

265
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

151
Kkernel_panicOP·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

89
Rrase·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

43
Bbob_chen·5 hours agoLevel 6

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

109
Kkite·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

5
KkiteOP·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

19
Oops_wang·2 days agoedited

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

194
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

129
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

8
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

137
Hhuang_ke·2 days agoLevel 6

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

159
WwinterMod·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

28
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

138
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

434
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

91
Wwinter·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

30
Llinlin·12 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

17
Sslow_query·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

1
Cchen_devMod·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1

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