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TEr/tensorrt-newbie·posted by chen_dev·2 days agoHelpPinned

War story: tensorrt-newbie timezone handling almost cost us a full day of billing

Short version: tensorrt-newbie needs almost no tuning at small and medium scale — the point where it starts to hurt is much further out than most people assume. Full measurements below.

We also fixed monitoring along the way: replaced average-based alerts with percentiles and split them per endpoint. False alerts dropped by about seventy percent and the on-call rotation visibly cheered up.

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Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Zzhou_yi·12 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Ddev_zhou·28 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Llinlin·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Mmike_xuMod·28 minutes ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Rran_bo·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Cchen_dev·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Llinlin·just now

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Ttang_hao·28 minutes agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Ttang_hao·28 minutes ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Ddev_zhou·5 hours ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Oops_wang·2 days ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Lli_ming·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Sswoole_leeOP·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Nnikic·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Sslow_queryOP·28 minutes ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Llinlin·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Mmike_xuMod·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Lli_ming·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Rrase·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Mmike_xu·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Rrase·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

1
Rran_bo·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Oops_wang·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Aalice_dev·28 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Lli_mingOP·28 minutes agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

241
Llinlin·2 days agoedited

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

40
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Oops_wang·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Ttang_hao·28 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

146
Llinlin·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

225
Kkernel_panic·yesterday

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

15
Zzhou_yi·5 hours ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

171
Zzhou_yi·1 hour agoedited

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

6
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Kkernel_panic·yesterday

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

7
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoedited

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

362
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

183
Zzhu_zong·2 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

171
KkiteOP·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Rrase·2 days agoLevel 6

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Rrase·2 days agoLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Mmike_xu·just now

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days agoLevel 6

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Kkite·yesterdayLevel 6

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

332
Kkite·28 minutes agoLevel 6

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

208
Wwinter·28 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

141
Mmike_xu·1 hour ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

50
Bbob_chen·2 days agoLevel 6

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

82
Sslow_query·2 days agoLevel 6

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

39
Rrase·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

2
Ttang_hao·1 hour ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1
Rran_bo·12 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

501
Aalice_dev·2 days agoLevel 6

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

208
Oops_wang·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

38
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

31
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

29
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

304
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

118
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

35
Oops_wang·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

5
Rran_bo·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

1
Ttang_haoOP·2 days agoedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

98
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

213
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

126
Rrase·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

120
Oops_wang·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

24
Wwinter·5 hours ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

191
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

23
Zzhou_yi·12 minutes ago

I just read the tensorrt-newbie source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

19
Bbob_chen·12 minutes agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

513
Ddev_zhou·28 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

133
Zzhou_yi·yesterday

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

287
Wwinter·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

98
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

73
Lli_ming·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

253
Bbob_chen·12 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

108
Hhuang_ke·2 hours ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

77
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

302
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

134
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

16
Kkite·28 minutes ago

This is not a tensorrt-newbie problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

12
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

13
Kkite·3 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

7
Zzhou_yiOP·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

200
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

244
Kkite·2 days ago

One counter-example: below tensorrt-newbie 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

3
Lli_ming·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

2
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Rrase·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

1

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