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SWr/swc-interview·posted by kernel_panic·2 hours agoToolingPinned

The edge cases the swc-interview docs never spell out

Some background first. Our setup is swc-interview plus three downstream services, seven figures of daily requests, peaking around nine in the evening.

// Minimal reproduction: you must use a real long-tail distribution here.
// Uniform load-test traffic will never trigger this.
func (s *Server) handle(ctx context.Context) error {
    conn, err := s.pool.Acquire(ctx)
    if err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf("acquire: %w", err)
    }
    defer conn.Release()

    return s.do(ctx, conn)
}

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

One last trap: in container environments remember to adjust the memory-related parameters in step. Otherwise the host limit and the process expectation disagree, and the symptom is intermittent, unreproducible failure.

What genuinely surprised me was the tail. The average looked great while P99 jumped by an order of magnitude past some threshold. The cause was not swc-interview itself but our upstream connection reuse — the load test traffic was too clean and hid the long-tail requests.

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

25 comments

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Nnikic·2 hours agoedited

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Rrase·3 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Mmike_xuMod·2 hours ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Hhuang_ke·1 hour ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Hhuang_ke·12 minutes agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Oops_wangOP·just now

This is not a swc-interview problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Hhuang_ke·3 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Kkernel_panic·just now

This is not a swc-interview problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Bbob_chenMod·28 minutes ago

I just read the swc-interview source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Hhuang_keOP·just now

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Wwinter·just now

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Rran_bo·just nowedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Rrase·just now

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Sslow_query·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Cchen_dev·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Llinlin·just now

One counter-example: below swc-interview 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Kkernel_panic·just now

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Ttang_hao·2 hours ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Mmike_xu·5 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Sslow_query·3 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Zzhu_zong·3 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Ttang_haoOP·yesterday

I just read the swc-interview source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Rrase·2 hours ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Aalice_devOP·just now

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Cchen_dev·1 hour ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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