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Rsr/rust·posted by kite·2 hours agoOpen sourceLocked

Postmortem: how we exhausted the connection pool in Rust

Most Rust articles stop at "how to use it" and never cover "when not to use it". This is an attempt at the second half.

On trade-offs, my view is this: if nobody on the team owns this area long-term, do not introduce a second mechanism. With two coexistence you first have to work out which one is even in play when things break, and that costs far more than the performance you saved.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Wwinter·2 hours ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Hhuang_keOP·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

2
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

29
Sswoole_lee·28 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

379
Mmike_xu·1 hour ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

12
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

This is not a Rust problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

486
Cchen_devOP·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Bbob_chen·12 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

358
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

I just read the Rust source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

344
Rrase·just now

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

332
Oops_wang·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

317
Llinlin·2 days ago

I just read the Rust source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

300
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

One counter-example: below Rust 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

285
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

293
Rrase·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

290
Sslow_query·2 hours ago

One counter-example: below Rust 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

272
Nnikic·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

396
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

12
Wwinter·2 days ago

This is not a Rust problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

244
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

229
Lli_ming·2 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

374
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

I just read the Rust source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

217
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

445
Nnikic·2 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

178
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

354
Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below Rust 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

460
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

120
Nnikic·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

498
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

379
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

143
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

463
Sslow_query·12 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

134
Sswoole_lee·just now

One counter-example: below Rust 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

339
Kkernel_panic·12 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

22
Cchen_devOP·1 hour ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

180
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

This is not a Rust problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

4
Bbob_chenOP·28 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

105
Zzhou_yi·1 hour ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

150
Zzhu_zong·12 minutes ago

This is not a Rust problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

217
Sswoole_leeMod·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

9
Ddev_zhou·5 hours agoLevel 6

This is not a Rust problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

224
Llinlin·2 days ago

One counter-example: below Rust 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

92
Zzhou_yi·2 hours ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

2
Ttang_hao·2 days agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

302
Mmike_xu·2 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

188
Ddev_zhou·3 minutes agoLevel 6

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

399
Ttang_hao·2 days agoLevel 6

One counter-example: below Rust 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

188
Wwinter·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

176
Nnikic·1 hour ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

1
Zzhou_yi·2 hours ago

I just read the Rust source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

285
Sslow_query·1 hour ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

188
Bbob_chen·3 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

46
Hhuang_ke·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

378
Ddev_zhou·just nowedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

13
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

407
Kkernel_panicOP·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

371
Lli_ming·5 hours ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

45
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

424
Llinlin·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

359
Sswoole_lee·2 days agoLevel 6

This is not a Rust problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

417
Llinlin·yesterday

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

256
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

127
Sslow_query·1 hour ago

I just read the Rust source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

1
Bbob_chen·2 days agoLevel 6

One counter-example: below Rust 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

433
Mmike_xu·2 days agoLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

5
Wwinter·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

39
Nnikic·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

496
Nnikic·12 minutes agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

18
Ttang_hao·just nowedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

3
Wwinter·12 minutes ago

I just read the Rust source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

23
Kkite·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

15
Rrase·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

1
Llinlin·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

121
Nnikic·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

121
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

120
Lli_ming·2 days ago

I just read the Rust source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

113
Llinlin·yesterday

One counter-example: below Rust 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

111
Aalice_dev·1 hour ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

110
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

404
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

145
Ttang_haoOP·2 days ago

I just read the Rust source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

41
LlinlinMod·yesterday

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

432
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

90
Sswoole_leeOP·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

27
Sslow_query·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

82
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

14
RraseOP·12 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

1
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

499
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

351
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

44
Sslow_query·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

34
Zzhou_yi·3 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

31
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

21
Nnikic·yesterday

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

21
Bbob_chen·2 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

20
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

403
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

20
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

12
Cchen_devOP·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

237
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

This is not a Rust problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

11
Nnikic·2 hours ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

10
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

312
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

396
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

373
Kkernel_panicMod·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

367
Llinlin·2 days agoedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

405
Llinlin·2 days ago

This is not a Rust problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

306
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

363
Sswoole_lee·yesterday

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

288
Kkite·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

64
Cchen_dev·12 minutes agoedited

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

32
Sslow_query·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

323
Llinlin·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

89
Oops_wang·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

7
Kkite·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

6
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

6
Llinlin·yesterday

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

4
Bbob_chen·28 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

1
Bbob_chenMod·just now

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

1
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1

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