Redis · Ops · redis-ops under load on an 8-core 16GB box — full benchmark scripts included

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REr/redis-ops·posted by chen_dev·6 hours agoHelp

redis-ops under load on an 8-core 16GB box — full benchmark scripts included

Some background first. Our setup is redis-ops plus three downstream services, seven figures of daily requests, peaking around nine in the evening.

# Load test: do not jump straight to the max concurrency.
# Ramp it up, otherwise you miss the knee.
for c in 50 100 200 400 800; do
  wrk -t8 -c$c -d60s --latency http://127.0.0.1:8080/api/feed
  sleep 20
done

We also fixed monitoring along the way: replaced average-based alerts with percentiles and split them per endpoint. False alerts dropped by about seventy percent and the on-call rotation visibly cheered up.

One last trap: in container environments remember to adjust the memory-related parameters in step. Otherwise the host limit and the process expectation disagree, and the symptom is intermittent, unreproducible failure.

On trade-offs, my view is this: if nobody on the team owns this area long-term, do not introduce a second mechanism. With two coexistence you first have to work out which one is even in play when things break, and that costs far more than the performance you saved.

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

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Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

499
Oops_wang·2 days agoedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

483
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

280
Rrase·2 days ago

I just read the redis-ops source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

1
Wwinter·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

157
Lli_ming·5 hours ago

I just read the redis-ops source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

450
Nnikic·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

399
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

374
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

351
Lli_ming·2 days ago

I just read the redis-ops source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

79
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

One counter-example: below redis-ops 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

170
Oops_wang·yesterday

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

503
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

504
Wwinter·2 days agoedited

This is not a redis-ops problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

372
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

340
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

333
Kkernel_panic·1 hour ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

329
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

147
Zzhu_zong·just now

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

364
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

122
Llinlin·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

106
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

58
Rran_bo·2 days agoedited

This is not a redis-ops problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

313
Rrase·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

1
Zzhou_yiOP·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

245
Llinlin·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

296
Kkernel_panic·2 hours ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

293
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

5
Llinlin·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

1
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

89
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

236
Sslow_query·5 hours ago

This is not a redis-ops problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

217
NnikicOP·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

135
Rrase·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

5
Rran_bo·12 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

187
Kkite·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

351
Lli_ming·just now

I just read the redis-ops source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

52
Ddev_zhouOP·2 days ago

One counter-example: below redis-ops 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

376
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

178
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

162
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoedited

I just read the redis-ops source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

134
Kkite·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

417
Oops_wang·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

128
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

116
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

110
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

96
Wwinter·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

464
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

354
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

47
Ddev_zhou·12 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

92
Ddev_zhou·3 minutes agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

109
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

I just read the redis-ops source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

41
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

This is not a redis-ops problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

290
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

15
Sswoole_leeOP·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

20
Llinlin·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

257
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

72
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

283
Aalice_devOP·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

7
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

56
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

316
Rrase·12 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

50
Bbob_chenMod·3 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

346
Oops_wang·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

488
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

This is not a redis-ops problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

46
Aalice_dev·28 minutes ago

This is not a redis-ops problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

49
Llinlin·1 hour ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

229
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

48
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

One counter-example: below redis-ops 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

40
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This is not a redis-ops problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

35
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

32
Nnikic·5 hours agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

31
Zzhou_yiMod·2 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

317
Zzhou_yi·2 hours ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

26
Ttang_hao·1 hour ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

416
Aalice_dev·5 hours ago

One counter-example: below redis-ops 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

334
Ttang_hao·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

79
Aalice_dev·28 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

303
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

35
Rran_bo·2 hours ago

I just read the redis-ops source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

227
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

159
Zzhu_zongMod·5 hours agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

22
Zzhu_zong·12 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

112
Aalice_dev·2 days agoLevel 6

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

125
Kkite·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

104
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

16
Oops_wang·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Zzhou_yi·28 minutes ago

One counter-example: below redis-ops 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

24
Zzhou_yiOP·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

240
Ttang_haoOP·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

367
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

151
Zzhou_yi·28 minutes agoedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

111
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

446
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

99
Lli_mingOP·2 days agoedited

One counter-example: below redis-ops 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

1
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

12
Kkernel_panic·yesterday

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

57
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

8
Ttang_hao·5 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

251
Kkite·28 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

7
Sslow_query·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

7
Oops_wang·2 days ago

One counter-example: below redis-ops 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

185
Wwinter·12 minutes agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

1
Wwinter·2 hours ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

516
Sswoole_leeOP·28 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

88
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

320
Wwinter·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

136
Llinlin·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

399
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

1
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoLevel 6

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

475
Zzhou_yi·2 days agoLevel 6

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

52
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

100
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

238
Rran_bo·28 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

3
Hhuang_ke·yesterday

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

344
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

This is not a redis-ops problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

12
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

I just read the redis-ops source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

6
Bbob_chenOP·2 days ago

One counter-example: below redis-ops 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

133
Aalice_dev·1 hour ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

1

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