PHP Community · Ten PHP anti-patterns — how many are you guilty of?

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phpr/php·posted by slow_query·yesterdayPostmortem

Ten PHP anti-patterns — how many are you guilty of?

Some background first. Our setup is PHP plus three downstream services, seven figures of daily requests, peaking around nine in the evening.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

// Minimal reproduction: you must use a real long-tail distribution here.
// Uniform load-test traffic will never trigger this.
func (s *Server) handle(ctx context.Context) error {
    conn, err := s.pool.Acquire(ctx)
    if err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf("acquire: %w", err)
    }
    defer conn.Release()

    return s.do(ctx, conn)
}

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

We also fixed monitoring along the way: replaced average-based alerts with percentiles and split them per endpoint. False alerts dropped by about seventy percent and the on-call rotation visibly cheered up.

What genuinely surprised me was the tail. The average looked great while P99 jumped by an order of magnitude past some threshold. The cause was not PHP itself but our upstream connection reuse — the load test traffic was too clean and hid the long-tail requests.

109 comments

109 comments

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Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Zzhu_zongOP·2 days agoedited

One counter-example: below PHP 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

421
Kkernel_panic·just now

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

433
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

417
Rrase·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

364
Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below PHP 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

1
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

317
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

303
Wwinter·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

295
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

280
NnikicOP·12 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
Zzhu_zong·just now

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

259
KkiteOP·2 days ago

This is not a PHP problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

251
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

6
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

34
Llinlin·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

6
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

120
Cchen_dev·12 minutes ago

I just read the PHP source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

214
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

213
Kkite·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

183
Mmike_xu·2 hours ago

One counter-example: below PHP 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

175
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

38
Sslow_query·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

10
Rran_bo·yesterday

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

63
Llinlin·2 days agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

156
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

107
Cchen_dev·12 minutes agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

101
Nnikic·2 days agoedited

One counter-example: below PHP 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

1
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

100
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

92
Aalice_dev·1 hour ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

90
LlinlinOPMod·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

22
Zzhu_zong·1 hour ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

77
Rrase·2 days ago

One counter-example: below PHP 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

72
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

485
Rrase·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

2
Rran_bo·28 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

67
Sslow_query·3 minutes ago

I just read the PHP source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

5
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

229
Llinlin·5 hours ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

6
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

67
Sslow_query·5 hours ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

46
Wwinter·2 days ago

I just read the PHP source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

44
Rrase·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

31
Bbob_chen·1 hour ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

153
Kkernel_panic·3 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

17
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

16
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

8
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

7
KkiteOP·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

5
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

5
Rrase·12 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

4
Zzhou_yiOP·3 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

191
Ttang_hao·5 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

451
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

365
Cchen_dev·just now

I just read the PHP source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

174
Lli_ming·5 hours ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

9
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

1
Sslow_query·2 days agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

494
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

This is not a PHP problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

337
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

206
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

357
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

6
Sslow_query·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

127
Cchen_dev·2 days agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

52
Lli_ming·5 hours ago

This is not a PHP problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

3
Nnikic·3 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

220
Wwinter·just now

I just read the PHP source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

453
Rran_boOP·2 days agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

38
Hhuang_ke·12 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

302
Nnikic·12 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

266
Oops_wang·just nowLevel 6

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

172
Sswoole_lee·12 minutes agoLevel 6

This is not a PHP problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

75
Rrase·5 hours ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

78
Zzhou_yi·2 days agoLevel 6

One counter-example: below PHP 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

3
Bbob_chenMod·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

9
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

150
Mmike_xu·2 days agoLevel 6

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

8
Rrase·3 minutes agoedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

17
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

248
Zzhu_zong·2 days agoLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

64
Mmike_xu·3 minutes agoedited

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

3
Kkite·just now

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

207
Nnikic·2 hours ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

127
Kkite·28 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

129
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoedited

This is not a PHP problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

241
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

73
Oops_wang·just now

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

22
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

5
RraseOP·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

68
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoLevel 6

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

428
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoLevel 6

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

3
LlinlinOPMod·2 days ago

I just read the PHP source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

28
Wwinter·2 days agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

76
Llinlin·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

69
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

29
Lli_ming·2 days ago

One counter-example: below PHP 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

15
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

338
Ddev_zhouOP·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

126
Ttang_hao·2 days agoLevel 6

This is not a PHP problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

18
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

116
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

17
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

4
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

216
Lli_ming·28 minutes ago

This is not a PHP problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

3
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

I just read the PHP source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

2
Lli_ming·3 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

1

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