MySQL Community · Why this MySQL pattern gets slow in production: a source-level explanation

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Myr/mysql·posted by mike_xu·1 hour agoReview

Why this MySQL pattern gets slow in production: a source-level explanation

Short version: MySQL needs almost no tuning at small and medium scale — the point where it starts to hurt is much further out than most people assume. Full measurements below.

One last trap: in container environments remember to adjust the memory-related parameters in step. Otherwise the host limit and the process expectation disagree, and the symptom is intermittent, unreproducible failure.

// Minimal reproduction: you must use a real long-tail distribution here.
// Uniform load-test traffic will never trigger this.
func (s *Server) handle(ctx context.Context) error {
    conn, err := s.pool.Acquire(ctx)
    if err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf("acquire: %w", err)
    }
    defer conn.Release()

    return s.do(ctx, conn)
}

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

We also fixed monitoring along the way: replaced average-based alerts with percentiles and split them per endpoint. False alerts dropped by about seventy percent and the on-call rotation visibly cheered up.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Mmike_xuOP·3 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

404
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

36
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

454
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

One counter-example: below MySQL 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

438
Rrase·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

508
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

I just read the MySQL source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

438
Zzhu_zongOP·2 days ago

I just read the MySQL source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

296
Kkernel_panic·5 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

53
Bbob_chen·28 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

3
Lli_ming·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

329
Hhuang_ke·yesterday

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

315
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

One counter-example: below MySQL 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

310
Wwinter·2 days ago

This is not a MySQL problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

267
Kkernel_panic·1 hour ago

This is not a MySQL problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

304
Zzhu_zongMod·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

297
Zzhu_zong·12 minutes agoedited

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

295
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

259
Sswoole_lee·1 hour agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

217
Kkite·12 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

496
Kkite·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

108
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

208
Lli_ming·3 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

19
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

13
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

179
Oops_wang·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

176
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

155
Sslow_query·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

106
Wwinter·5 hours ago

This is not a MySQL problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

106
Ddev_zhou·just now

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

97
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

9
Llinlin·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

464
Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below MySQL 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

91
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

78
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

This is not a MySQL problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

64
Sswoole_leeMod·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

47
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

45
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

38
Rrase·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

32
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

31
Zzhou_yi·just nowedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

49
Hhuang_ke·3 minutes agoedited

I just read the MySQL source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

47
WwinterMod·2 days agoedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

16
RraseOP·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

258
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

92
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

181
Kkite·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

12
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

23
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

22
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

1
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

139
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

16
Zzhu_zong·28 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

15
Kkernel_panic·2 hours ago

One counter-example: below MySQL 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

12
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

272
Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below MySQL 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

49
Mmike_xu·2 hours ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

60
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

12
Rran_bo·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

11
Rrase·just nowedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

7
Kkite·2 days agoedited

I just read the MySQL source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

26
Sslow_query·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

439
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

15
Zzhou_yi·1 hour ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

3
Sslow_query·1 hour ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

509
Zzhou_yi·5 hours ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

170
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

155
Rran_boOP·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

1
Zzhou_yiMod·5 hours agoLevel 6

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

69
Sswoole_lee·28 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

463
Kkite·just now

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

510
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

421
Mmike_xu·yesterday

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

58
Ttang_hao·3 minutes agoLevel 6

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

477
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This is not a MySQL problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

391
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

I just read the MySQL source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

103
Mmike_xuOP·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

110
Kkite·5 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

114
Sswoole_leeOP·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

354
Llinlin·2 days agoLevel 6

One counter-example: below MySQL 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

250
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

202
Rran_bo·2 days agoLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

485
NnikicOP·12 minutes agoLevel 6

This is not a MySQL problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

227
Wwinter·1 hour agoLevel 6

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

13
Cchen_dev·yesterdayLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

5
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

44
Llinlin·2 hours ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

48
Ttang_hao·2 days agoLevel 6

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

376
Lli_ming·1 hour ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

24
Oops_wang·28 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

166
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

65
Llinlin·5 hours agoLevel 6

I just read the MySQL source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

292
Bbob_chen·2 days agoLevel 6

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

151
Wwinter·1 hour ago

I just read the MySQL source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

231
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

27
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1
Bbob_chen·just nowedited

This is not a MySQL problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

6
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

51
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

5
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

4
Kkite·5 hours ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

3
Nnikic·5 hours ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

133
Mmike_xu·2 days agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

444
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

299
Sslow_query·2 days ago

One counter-example: below MySQL 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

222
Kkite·2 days ago

One counter-example: below MySQL 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

39
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

288
Rran_boMod·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

11
Mmike_xu·2 hours ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

2
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

This is not a MySQL problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

170
Ddev_zhouOP·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

59
Cchen_dev·5 hours agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

30
Sslow_queryOP·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

150
Kkite·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

368
Rrase·2 days ago

I just read the MySQL source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

24
Wwinter·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

1
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

1
Kkite·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

1
Kkernel_panic·1 hour ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

1

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