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MFr/monorepo-frontend-qa·posted by chen_dev·just nowReviewPinned

Postmortem: how we exhausted the connection pool in monorepo-frontend-qa

Some background first. Our setup is monorepo-frontend-qa plus three downstream services, seven figures of daily requests, peaking around nine in the evening.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

One last trap: in container environments remember to adjust the memory-related parameters in step. Otherwise the host limit and the process expectation disagree, and the symptom is intermittent, unreproducible failure.

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NnikicOP·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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WwinterOP·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

491
Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below monorepo-frontend-qa 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

456
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

23
NnikicOP·28 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

374
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

392
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

I just read the monorepo-frontend-qa source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

257
Rran_bo·2 days agoedited

I just read the monorepo-frontend-qa source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

1
Bbob_chen·5 hours ago

I just read the monorepo-frontend-qa source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

48
Oops_wangOPMod·12 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

24
Zzhou_yi·just now

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

339
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

469
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

349
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

119
Lli_ming·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

146
Cchen_dev·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

One counter-example: below monorepo-frontend-qa 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

175
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

157
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

318
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

125
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoedited

This is not a monorepo-frontend-qa problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

385
Wwinter·just nowedited

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

368
Rran_boMod·2 hours ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

362
Rrase·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

211
Rran_boMod·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

183
LlinlinMod·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

335
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

I just read the monorepo-frontend-qa source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

262
Aalice_dev·28 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Cchen_devOP·1 hour ago

One counter-example: below monorepo-frontend-qa 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

174
Kkernel_panic·2 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

126
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

218
Mmike_xuOP·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

95
Ttang_haoOP·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

87
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

146
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

124
Zzhou_yiMod·3 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

195
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

123
Rrase·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

120
Sslow_query·2 days ago

This is not a monorepo-frontend-qa problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

90
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

87
NnikicOP·3 minutes agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

16
Hhuang_keOPMod·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

4
Zzhu_zong·just now

I just read the monorepo-frontend-qa source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

64
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Hhuang_keMod·yesterday

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

54
Sslow_query·2 days agoedited

One counter-example: below monorepo-frontend-qa 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

5
Kkite·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

45
Kkite·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

58
Llinlin·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

44
WwinterMod·28 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

33
Zzhu_zong·just now

This is not a monorepo-frontend-qa problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

21
Nnikic·5 hours ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

21
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

17
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

16
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

15
Lli_mingMod·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

10
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

8
Nnikic·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

1
Sslow_query·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

154
Nnikic·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

7
Sslow_query·3 minutes ago

I just read the monorepo-frontend-qa source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

6
Oops_wang·28 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

2
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

490
Sswoole_lee·28 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

459
Kkite·2 days ago

This is not a monorepo-frontend-qa problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

461
Kkite·just nowedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

323
Zzhou_yi·5 hours ago

I just read the monorepo-frontend-qa source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

411
Sslow_query·2 days agoLevel 6

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

1
Sslow_query·just now

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

8
Rran_bo·2 days ago

This is not a monorepo-frontend-qa problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

89
Mmike_xu·2 days agoedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

406
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

One counter-example: below monorepo-frontend-qa 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

35
Ttang_hao·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

5
Ttang_hao·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

34
Nnikic·2 days agoLevel 6

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

3
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

56
Wwinter·1 hour ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

10
Zzhu_zong·just now

I just read the monorepo-frontend-qa source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

246
Cchen_dev·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

502
Zzhu_zong·28 minutes agoLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

489
Zzhou_yi·2 days agoeditedLevel 6

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

201
Sswoole_lee·2 days agoLevel 6

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Zzhu_zong·2 days agoedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

195
Mmike_xu·1 hour agoeditedLevel 6

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

378
Ttang_haoOPMod·2 days agoLevel 6

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

51
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoLevel 6

One counter-example: below monorepo-frontend-qa 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

88
Rrase·2 days agoLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

28
Rran_boOP·2 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

1
Zzhu_zong·2 days agoLevel 6

This is not a monorepo-frontend-qa problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

128
WwinterOP·2 days agoLevel 6

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

27
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

5
Sswoole_lee·5 hours ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

89
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

425
Zzhou_yi·12 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

68
Mmike_xu·28 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

309
LlinlinMod·1 hour ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

139
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

This is not a monorepo-frontend-qa problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

120
Cchen_dev·2 hours agoedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

44
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

160
Zzhou_yi·2 days agoLevel 6

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

94
Rran_bo·1 hour ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

54
Sslow_query·5 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

2
Lli_ming·2 days agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

178
Ttang_hao·2 days agoLevel 6

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

253
Rrase·2 days agoLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

95
WwinterMod·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

3
Sswoole_leeMod·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

4
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

6
Hhuang_keMod·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

6
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

4
Nnikic·just now

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

2
Hhuang_ke·5 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

2
Llinlin·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

2
Hhuang_ke·28 minutes ago

One counter-example: below monorepo-frontend-qa 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

1
Oops_wang·2 days ago

This is not a monorepo-frontend-qa problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

1
Wwinter·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

86
Sslow_query·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

1
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

One counter-example: below monorepo-frontend-qa 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

1

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