Llamaindex · Toolchain · llamaindex-tools under load on an 8-core 16GB box — full benchmark scripts included

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LLr/llamaindex-tools·posted by slow_query·32 minutes agoReview

llamaindex-tools under load on an 8-core 16GB box — full benchmark scripts included

Some background first. Our setup is llamaindex-tools plus three downstream services, seven figures of daily requests, peaking around nine in the evening.

What genuinely surprised me was the tail. The average looked great while P99 jumped by an order of magnitude past some threshold. The cause was not llamaindex-tools itself but our upstream connection reuse — the load test traffic was too clean and hid the long-tail requests.

// Minimal reproduction: you must use a real long-tail distribution here.
// Uniform load-test traffic will never trigger this.
func (s *Server) handle(ctx context.Context) error {
    conn, err := s.pool.Acquire(ctx)
    if err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf("acquire: %w", err)
    }
    defer conn.Release()

    return s.do(ctx, conn)
}

On trade-offs, my view is this: if nobody on the team owns this area long-term, do not introduce a second mechanism. With two coexistence you first have to work out which one is even in play when things break, and that costs far more than the performance you saved.

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Zzhou_yi·28 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Zzhou_yi·1 hour ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Cchen_dev·just now

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Mmike_xu·2 days ago

This is not a llamaindex-tools problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Rrase·28 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Zzhou_yi·3 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Oops_wang·1 hour agoedited

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Sswoole_lee·3 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Oops_wang·12 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Mmike_xu·28 minutes ago

This is not a llamaindex-tools problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Hhuang_ke·12 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Hhuang_ke·12 minutes ago

One counter-example: below llamaindex-tools 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Kkernel_panicOP·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Mmike_xu·just now

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

I just read the llamaindex-tools source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Hhuang_ke·3 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Aalice_dev·just now

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Ddev_zhou·1 hour ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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