Fortran · Resources · fortran-resources under load on an 8-core 16GB box — full benchmark scripts included

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FOr/fortran-resources·posted by ran_bo·3 days agoOpen source

fortran-resources under load on an 8-core 16GB box — full benchmark scripts included

Some background first. Our setup is fortran-resources plus three downstream services, seven figures of daily requests, peaking around nine in the evening.

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

# Load test: do not jump straight to the max concurrency.
# Ramp it up, otherwise you miss the knee.
for c in 50 100 200 400 800; do
  wrk -t8 -c$c -d60s --latency http://127.0.0.1:8080/api/feed
  sleep 20
done

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

On trade-offs, my view is this: if nobody on the team owns this area long-term, do not introduce a second mechanism. With two coexistence you first have to work out which one is even in play when things break, and that costs far more than the performance you saved.

103 comments

103 comments

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Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

472
Llinlin·2 days agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

78
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
Aalice_dev·2 hours agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

318
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

3
Zzhou_yi·2 days agoedited

This is not a fortran-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

452
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

425
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

407
Sslow_query·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

358
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

331
Wwinter·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

317
Wwinter·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

314
Sswoole_lee·3 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

349
Sslow_query·2 days ago

This is not a fortran-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

138
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

310
Oops_wang·2 days ago

This is not a fortran-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

245
Cchen_devOP·2 days agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

184
Ttang_haoOP·just now

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

163
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

2
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

28
Zzhu_zong·yesterday

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

212
Lli_ming·2 hours ago

One counter-example: below fortran-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

209
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

One counter-example: below fortran-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

165
Rran_bo·2 days agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

230
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

This is not a fortran-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

145
Sswoole_leeOP·2 days ago

I just read the fortran-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

67
Oops_wangMod·1 hour ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

508
Rran_bo·2 days ago

I just read the fortran-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

78
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

30
Sslow_query·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

123
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

112
Bbob_chen·1 hour agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

219
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

2
Rran_boOP·28 minutes agoedited

This is not a fortran-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

46
Rran_bo·5 hours ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

105
Sslow_query·3 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

94
LlinlinMod·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

78
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

72
Kkite·28 minutes agoedited

This is not a fortran-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

56
Nnikic·just now

I just read the fortran-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

12
Wwinter·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

72
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

63
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1
Kkite·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

46
Zzhou_yi·12 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

42
Kkernel_panic·28 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

18
Bbob_chenOP·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

511
Wwinter·2 days ago

I just read the fortran-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

423
WwinterOP·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

275
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

163
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

246
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

47
Llinlin·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

275
Bbob_chen·3 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

36
Hhuang_ke·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

96
Aalice_dev·just now

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

27
KkiteMod·1 hour agoedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

10
Kkite·3 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

183
Zzhou_yi·yesterday

One counter-example: below fortran-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

114
Cchen_devMod·yesterday

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

507
Bbob_chenOP·12 minutes ago

One counter-example: below fortran-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

1
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

384
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

33
Cchen_dev·5 hours ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

23
Sswoole_lee·12 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

45
Sswoole_lee·just now

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

21
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

31
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

39
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

229
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

21
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

9
Hhuang_ke·2 days agoedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

6
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

This is not a fortran-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

30
Nnikic·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

5
Rrase·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

464
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

I just read the fortran-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

388
Sswoole_leeOP·3 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

2
Kkite·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

2
Zzhou_yi·1 hour ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

50
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

One counter-example: below fortran-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

156
Bbob_chen·12 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

311
Hhuang_ke·2 days agoLevel 6

I just read the fortran-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

175
Rran_bo·2 days agoLevel 6

One counter-example: below fortran-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

52
Ttang_hao·just now

I just read the fortran-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

17
Nnikic·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

16
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

15
Kkite·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

6
Mmike_xu·28 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

396
Rran_bo·yesterday

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

258
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

One counter-example: below fortran-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

4
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

196
Kkite·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

21
Rrase·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

4
Sslow_query·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

312
Oops_wangMod·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

4
KkiteMod·12 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

3
Lli_ming·3 minutes agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

1
Sswoole_leeMod·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

1
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1

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