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ECr/edge-computing-show·posted by huang_ke·3 days agoInternals

Postmortem: how we exhausted the connection pool in edge-computing-show

Some background first. Our setup is edge-computing-show plus three downstream services, seven figures of daily requests, peaking around nine in the evening.

We also fixed monitoring along the way: replaced average-based alerts with percentiles and split them per endpoint. False alerts dropped by about seventy percent and the on-call rotation visibly cheered up.

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Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

470
Kkite·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

423
Bbob_chenMod·2 days agoedited

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

51
Rrase·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

20
Cchen_dev·1 hour ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

517
Wwinter·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

491
Oops_wang·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

1
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

336
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

399
Ttang_hao·yesterdayedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

383
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

301
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

284
Cchen_dev·just now

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

358
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

77
Ttang_haoMod·2 days agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

358
Wwinter·just now

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

352
Sswoole_leeOP·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

276
Wwinter·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

300
Lli_ming·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-show problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

294
Kkernel_panicOP·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

203
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

163
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

145
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

140
Mmike_xu·28 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

136
Rrase·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-show 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

131
Cchen_dev·28 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

19
Oops_wang·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

368
Wwinter·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-show 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

195
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

34
Rran_boOP·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

28
Kkernel_panic·1 hour ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

126
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

131
Kkite·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

118
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

94
LlinlinOP·1 hour ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

2
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

52
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

64
Wwinter·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

51
Nnikic·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-show problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

22
Llinlin·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

89
Mmike_xu·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

45
Cchen_dev·2 days agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

43
Zzhu_zong·12 minutes agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

26
Mmike_xuOP·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

28
Lli_ming·just now

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

6
Zzhu_zong·3 minutes ago

I just read the edge-computing-show source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

211
Bbob_chen·just now

This is not a edge-computing-show problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

254
Wwinter·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-show source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

52
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoLevel 6

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

172
Wwinter·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-show 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

123
Mmike_xu·3 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

72
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

180
Rran_bo·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-show source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

434
Bbob_chenMod·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

31
Aalice_dev·2 days agoLevel 6

I just read the edge-computing-show source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

495
Oops_wang·yesterday

One counter-example: below edge-computing-show 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

16
Bbob_chenOP·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

460
Rrase·2 days agoLevel 6

One counter-example: below edge-computing-show 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

79
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-show source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

26
Kkernel_panic·3 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

24
Sslow_query·28 minutes agoedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

3
Rrase·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

134
Ttang_hao·3 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

165
Oops_wang·12 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

67
Kkite·2 hours ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

105
Wwinter·1 hour ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

129
Cchen_devMod·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

33
Lli_ming·2 days agoLevel 6

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

312
Nnikic·2 days agoLevel 6

This is not a edge-computing-show problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

5
Rrase·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

107
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-show 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

18
Llinlin·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

435
Zzhou_yi·just now

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

17
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-show problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

227
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

17
WwinterOP·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

74
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

65
Wwinter·5 hours ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

26
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

276
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

136
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

118
Sslow_query·2 days agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

344
Cchen_dev·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

1
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

436
Sswoole_lee·2 days agoLevel 6

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

360
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

126
RraseOP·2 days agoLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

2
Nnikic·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

85
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

66
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-show problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

17
Rrase·3 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

15
Hhuang_keOP·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

1
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

33
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

13
Ddev_zhou·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

6
Sswoole_lee·just nowedited

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

2
Hhuang_ke·1 hour ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

8
Rran_bo·28 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

265
Sswoole_lee·2 days agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

191
Llinlin·5 hours ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

205
Rrase·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

1
Hhuang_ke·2 days agoLevel 6

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

238
Wwinter·2 hours agoLevel 6

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

72
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-show source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

162
LlinlinOP·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

5
Zzhu_zong·just now

I just read the edge-computing-show source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

12
Nnikic·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-show problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

229
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-show source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

229
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

98
Bbob_chenOP·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

236
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-show 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

248
Bbob_chen·1 hour agoedited

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

2
Aalice_dev·2 days agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

2
Cchen_dev·yesterday

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

95
Hhuang_ke·2 days agoedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

23
Aalice_dev·3 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-show 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

4
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-show problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

1

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