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ECr/edge-computing-resources·posted by mike_xu·yesterdayTutorial

Discussion: is the edge-computing-resources ecosystem being replaced by another stack?

Most edge-computing-resources articles stop at "how to use it" and never cover "when not to use it". This is an attempt at the second half.

What genuinely surprised me was the tail. The average looked great while P99 jumped by an order of magnitude past some threshold. The cause was not edge-computing-resources itself but our upstream connection reuse — the load test traffic was too clean and hid the long-tail requests.

On trade-offs, my view is this: if nobody on the team owns this area long-term, do not introduce a second mechanism. With two coexistence you first have to work out which one is even in play when things break, and that costs far more than the performance you saved.

We also fixed monitoring along the way: replaced average-based alerts with percentiles and split them per endpoint. False alerts dropped by about seventy percent and the on-call rotation visibly cheered up.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Lli_ming·12 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

156
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Ddev_zhouMod·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

161
Mmike_xuMod·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

194
Nnikic·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

497
Sslow_query·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

71
Lli_ming·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

1
Mmike_xuOP·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

430
Zzhou_yi·2 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

473
Oops_wang·3 minutes ago

I just read the edge-computing-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

36
Cchen_dev·just now

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

39
Nnikic·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

25
Zzhou_yi·yesterday

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

6
Kkite·yesterday

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

91
Ddev_zhou·3 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

356
Lli_ming·2 days agoLevel 6

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

304
Llinlin·just nowLevel 6

One counter-example: below edge-computing-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

259
Cchen_devMod·3 minutes agoedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

185
Sslow_query·2 days agoLevel 6

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

25
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

78
Mmike_xuOP·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

7
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

19
Rran_bo·2 days agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

454
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

122
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

440
Nnikic·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

271
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

272
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

79
Kkernel_panicOPMod·2 days agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

480
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

192
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

1
Sswoole_lee·2 days agoedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

420
Rrase·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

378
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

371
Hhuang_ke·2 days agoedited

One counter-example: below edge-computing-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

315
Sslow_query·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

275
Hhuang_keOP·yesterday

This is not a edge-computing-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

203
Kkite·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

262
Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

212
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

202
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

202
Rran_bo·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

3
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

199
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

181
Sswoole_lee·12 minutes ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

128
Cchen_dev·just now

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

75
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

4
Llinlin·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

491
Kkite·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

338
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

121
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

71
Ttang_hao·2 days agoedited

This is not a edge-computing-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

52
Ddev_zhou·2 hours ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

8
Zzhu_zongOP·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

78
Nnikic·2 days agoLevel 6

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

217
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

45
Aalice_dev·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

5
Lli_ming·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

254
Wwinter·12 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

124
Nnikic·3 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

121
Nnikic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

132
Kkite·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

27
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

293
Llinlin·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

36
Cchen_dev·2 days agoedited

This is not a edge-computing-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

104
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

319
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

49
Sslow_query·3 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

61
Nnikic·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

125
Nnikic·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

157
Llinlin·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

12
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

77
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

This is not a edge-computing-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

74
Lli_ming·2 days agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Zzhou_yi·2 days agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

66
Sslow_queryOP·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

157
Nnikic·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

33
Rrase·1 hour ago

One counter-example: below edge-computing-resources 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

51
Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

38
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

33
Llinlin·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

30
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

172
Kkite·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

28
Cchen_dev·just now

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

14
Sswoole_lee·3 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

13
Rran_bo·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

172
Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

502
Zzhu_zong·12 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

12
Nnikic·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

6
Ddev_zhouMod·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

77
Cchen_dev·12 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

228
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

53
Sslow_query·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

166
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

23
Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

I just read the edge-computing-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

118
Nnikic·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

63
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

92
Cchen_devOP·just now

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1
Zzhu_zong·yesterday

This is not a edge-computing-resources problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

5
KkiteMod·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

42
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

17
Wwinter·5 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

4
Lli_ming·2 hours ago

I just read the edge-computing-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

201
Mmike_xu·12 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

2
Sslow_queryOP·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

518
Zzhu_zong·2 days agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

3
Rran_boMod·1 hour ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

1
Ddev_zhou·just now

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

2
Kkernel_panic·28 minutes ago

I just read the edge-computing-resources source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

179
Kkernel_panic·2 days agoedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

107
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

2
Zzhou_yi·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

1
Oops_wang·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

175
Cchen_devOP·2 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

21
Sswoole_lee·2 days agoedited

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

133
Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

1
Sslow_query·3 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

10
Wwinter·3 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

1
Lli_ming·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

1

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