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CTr/cli-tools-career·posted by slow_query·32 minutes agoAnnouncement

Newbie question: how should a cli-tools-career config file be organised?

Most cli-tools-career articles stop at "how to use it" and never cover "when not to use it". This is an attempt at the second half.

On trade-offs, my view is this: if nobody on the team owns this area long-term, do not introduce a second mechanism. With two coexistence you first have to work out which one is even in play when things break, and that costs far more than the performance you saved.

What genuinely surprised me was the tail. The average looked great while P99 jumped by an order of magnitude past some threshold. The cause was not cli-tools-career itself but our upstream connection reuse — the load test traffic was too clean and hid the long-tail requests.

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Mmike_xuOP·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Rran_bo·just now

I just read the cli-tools-career source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Llinlin·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Bbob_chen·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Kkite·28 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Ttang_hao·2 hours ago

This is not a cli-tools-career problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Kkite·3 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Hhuang_keOP·28 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Nnikic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Zzhou_yi·just now

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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KkiteOP·28 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Sswoole_lee·28 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Lli_mingOPMod·5 hours ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Cchen_dev·just now

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Ttang_hao·1 hour ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Sswoole_lee·just nowedited

One counter-example: below cli-tools-career 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Mmike_xu·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Oops_wang·3 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Oops_wangOP·3 minutes ago

This is not a cli-tools-career problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Wwinter·2 hours ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Aalice_dev·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Rrase·2 days ago

I just read the cli-tools-career source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Nnikic·yesterdayedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Nnikic·28 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Kkernel_panic·12 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Ttang_haoOP·2 days ago

One counter-example: below cli-tools-career 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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