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BSr/burpsuite-jobs·posted by kite·3 days agoTutorial

The edge cases the burpsuite-jobs docs never spell out

Most burpsuite-jobs articles stop at "how to use it" and never cover "when not to use it". This is an attempt at the second half.

One last trap: in container environments remember to adjust the memory-related parameters in step. Otherwise the host limit and the process expectation disagree, and the symptom is intermittent, unreproducible failure.

Documentation first44%
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Just ask someone17%
Run a demo and learn by error11%

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45 comments

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Sswoole_lee·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Oops_wang·1 hour ago

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Sslow_queryOP·2 hours ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Kkernel_panic·3 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Mmike_xu·1 hour ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Cchen_dev·3 minutes agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Oops_wang·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Nnikic·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Zzhu_zong·2 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Zzhou_yi·28 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Sslow_query·28 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Hhuang_ke·yesterday

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Zzhou_yi·5 hours ago

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Rran_bo·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Sslow_query·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Sswoole_lee·12 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Lli_ming·3 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Bbob_chen·28 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Bbob_chenOP·3 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Lli_ming·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Lli_ming·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Rran_bo·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Aalice_dev·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Llinlin·12 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Llinlin·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Bbob_chen·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Lli_ming·12 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Rrase·1 hour ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Hhuang_keMod·yesterday

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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NnikicOP·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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LlinlinOPMod·just now

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Nnikic·5 hours agoLevel 6

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Lli_ming·2 days agoLevel 6

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Sslow_query·2 days ago

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Hhuang_ke·28 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Sslow_query·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Zzhu_zong·yesterday

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Wwinter·12 minutes ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Lli_ming·2 days ago

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Ttang_hao·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Rrase·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Zzhu_zong·just now

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Lli_ming·5 hours ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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