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BSr/burpsuite-jobs·posted by linlin·1 hour agoAnnouncement

Building an internal platform with burpsuite-jobs from scratch: architecture and decision log

Short version: burpsuite-jobs needs almost no tuning at small and medium scale — the point where it starts to hurt is much further out than most people assume. Full measurements below.

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One last trap: in container environments remember to adjust the memory-related parameters in step. Otherwise the host limit and the process expectation disagree, and the symptom is intermittent, unreproducible failure.

What genuinely surprised me was the tail. The average looked great while P99 jumped by an order of magnitude past some threshold. The cause was not burpsuite-jobs itself but our upstream connection reuse — the load test traffic was too clean and hid the long-tail requests.

We also fixed monitoring along the way: replaced average-based alerts with percentiles and split them per endpoint. False alerts dropped by about seventy percent and the on-call rotation visibly cheered up.

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

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49 comments

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Lli_ming·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Kkernel_panic·5 hours agoedited

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Sslow_query·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Zzhou_yi·yesterday

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Bbob_chen·2 hours ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Wwinter·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Zzhu_zong·5 hours ago

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Sswoole_lee·5 hours ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Rrase·5 hours agoedited

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Wwinter·5 hours ago

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Rran_bo·5 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Ttang_hao·3 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Llinlin·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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NnikicOP·1 hour ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Hhuang_keOPMod·28 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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WwinterOP·2 days ago

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days agoedited

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Wwinter·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Ttang_hao·12 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

11
Zzhou_yi·2 days agoedited

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Aalice_dev·just now

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Bbob_chen·2 hours agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Hhuang_ke·just now

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

456
Kkite·12 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

348
Oops_wang·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

21
Zzhou_yi·28 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

152
Sswoole_lee·3 minutes agoedited

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Wwinter·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

1
Ttang_hao·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Sslow_queryOP·2 days ago

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days agoLevel 6

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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WwinterOP·12 minutes ago

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Zzhu_zong·28 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Mmike_xu·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Oops_wang·2 hours ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

11
Wwinter·2 days ago

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

191
Bbob_chen·2 days ago

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

321
Rran_bo·12 minutes ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

7
Nnikic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Llinlin·yesterdayedited

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

440
Mmike_xu·2 days ago

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Lli_ming·just now

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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NnikicMod·12 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Oops_wang·2 hours ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

1

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