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BSr/burpsuite-jobs·posted by winter·1 hour agoInternals

burpsuite-jobs logging: what separates "readable" from "usable"

Some background first. Our setup is burpsuite-jobs plus three downstream services, seven figures of daily requests, peaking around nine in the evening.

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

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Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Hhuang_ke·2 hours ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Mmike_xu·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Zzhou_yi·3 minutes ago

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Zzhou_yi·3 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Zzhu_zong·2 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Rrase·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Wwinter·12 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Ddev_zhou·2 days ago

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Zzhou_yi·1 hour ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Rran_bo·5 hours ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Cchen_dev·2 days ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Mmike_xuMod·28 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Llinlin·2 days ago

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Kkite·just now

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Sswoole_lee·28 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Aalice_dev·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Bbob_chen·5 hours ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Kkernel_panic·just now

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Sswoole_leeOP·2 days agoedited

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Wwinter·2 hours ago

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Wwinter·28 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Ddev_zhouOP·2 days ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Ttang_hao·2 days ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Sswoole_lee·3 minutes ago

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Rran_bo·2 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Nnikic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below burpsuite-jobs 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Wwinter·5 hours ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Bbob_chenOP·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Nnikic·28 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Sslow_query·12 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Ddev_zhou·1 hour ago

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Lli_ming·5 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Rran_bo·2 days ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Bbob_chen·2 days ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Llinlin·just now

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Mmike_xu·5 hours ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Cchen_dev·2 hours ago

This is not a burpsuite-jobs problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Llinlin·5 hours agoedited

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Ttang_haoMod·just now

I just read the burpsuite-jobs source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Rran_bo·1 hour ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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