Alertmanager · English · The alertmanager-en execution flow in one diagram (with sequence chart)

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ALr/alertmanager-en·posted by li_ming·5 minutes agoReview

The alertmanager-en execution flow in one diagram (with sequence chart)

Most alertmanager-en articles stop at "how to use it" and never cover "when not to use it". This is an attempt at the second half.

# Load test: do not jump straight to the max concurrency.
# Ramp it up, otherwise you miss the knee.
for c in 50 100 200 400 800; do
  wrk -t8 -c$c -d60s --latency http://127.0.0.1:8080/api/feed
  sleep 20
done

On trade-offs, my view is this: if nobody on the team owns this area long-term, do not introduce a second mechanism. With two coexistence you first have to work out which one is even in play when things break, and that costs far more than the performance you saved.

Worth noting: the official docs do cover this, just in a very inconspicuous spot. I only found it reading the source comments, where the author explains the reasoning — roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

The first thing was to collapse the variables. We were changing config and upgrading the version at the same time, and afterwards nobody could say which change caused what. We rolled back to moving one variable at a time, re-ran three times, and only then did the curve settle. Tedious, but not skippable.

36 comments

36 comments

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Wwinter·3 minutes ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Rran_bo·just now

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Aalice_dev·3 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Hhuang_ke·1 hour ago

This is not a alertmanager-en problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Sslow_query·3 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Sswoole_lee·1 hour ago

One counter-example: below alertmanager-en 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Wwinter·2 days ago

This is not a alertmanager-en problem, it is a usage problem. The docs say this API is not thread-safe and you must lock around it yourself.

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Hhuang_ke·2 days ago

Thanks for sharing real numbers — far more useful than the articles that only cover concepts.

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Zzhu_zong·just now

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Ttang_hao·2 days ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Zzhou_yi·2 hours ago

I just read the alertmanager-en source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Wwinter·28 minutes ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Wwinter·28 minutes ago

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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NnikicOP·2 hours ago

There is actually a simpler fix that needs no architecture change: move this check up to the gateway and the problem disappears. The cost is one extra lookup at the gateway.

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Kkite·2 hours ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Mmike_xuOP·1 hour agoedited

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Lli_mingOP·28 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Kkernel_panic·2 days ago

One counter-example: below alertmanager-en 7.4 the semantics of that code are different, so do not copy it verbatim. We got burned in staging and rolled back once.

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Sslow_query·5 hours ago

Can you give a minimal reproduction? I ran it locally for ten minutes and could not reproduce on macOS with the latest version.

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Oops_wang·2 days ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Sslow_query·2 days ago

I just read the alertmanager-en source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Rran_bo·1 hour ago

I see point 3 differently. The trade-off depends on your read/write ratio: read-heavy with little writing means caching actually widens the inconsistency window.

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Wwinter·5 hours ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Zzhu_zong·2 days ago

I just read the alertmanager-en source — the author actually explains the reasoning in a comment, roughly "so that it degrades into predictable behaviour in extreme cases".

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Cchen_devMod·just nowedited

Worth learning from this debugging approach. We went straight at the logs and took a much longer route.

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Ttang_hao·just now

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Aalice_dev·1 hour ago

Has anyone run a controlled experiment? I did, reducing it to a single variable, and the difference was 4% — within noise. So I suspect the main cause is something else.

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Mmike_xu·28 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Mmike_xu·5 hours agoedited

Saved. I am reworking this area this week — this saves a lot of wrong turns.

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Bbob_chenMod·3 minutes ago

Agreeing with the above. One addition: with this option enabled the GC count in your metrics doubles, so adjust the alert threshold at the same time or it will keep firing.

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Sslow_query·2 days ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Kkite·28 minutes ago

A question: what changes in a container with a 512Mi memory limit? That is how we run it in production.

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Ddev_zhou·3 minutes ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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Rrase·12 minutes ago

Sharing our numbers, 8 cores 16GB, same scenario:

| Concurrency | P50 | P99 |
|---|---|---|
| 200 | 12ms | 88ms |
| 500 | 31ms | 340ms |

P99 clearly collapses at 500 concurrency, which lines up with your knee point.

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Nnikic·12 minutes ago

We have run this in production for two years without hitting it. That said, we never reached this scale, so our experience is not really evidence here.

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Mmike_xuMod·2 days ago

This matches what we see in production. We only hit it past 3k QPS; the earlier load tests showed nothing — the test traffic was too clean, with no long-tail requests.

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